The Nephites, Lamanites and American Indians


He [the messenger] said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. — Joseph Smith

The Book of Mormon begins in Judea during the reign of Zedekiah, the puppet king under Nebuchadnezzar at about 600 BC. In a vision, Lehi is told that he should leave the land of Israel taking his family into the desert south of their home towards the Red Sea. His two sons, Nephi and Laman end up having two different attitutes towards their “visionary” father, Nephi being the good son, and Laman being the rebellious son. After they travel even further south (possibly into the Arabian Peninsula), God appeared to Nephi telling him to build a ship, cross the ocean and then arrive at a certain “promised land,” that is the Modern North American continent. After their arrival, group ultimately splits into two factions, the Nephites and the Lamanites who were almost constantly at war with eachother until the day that Jesus Christ made an appearance in the land after his resurrection which brought about an extended period of piece. But after a few centuries, the two groups started warring against eachother again, and by 421 AD, the Lamanites had utterly destroyed the Nephites. The plates of Nephi with editions by Mormon and Moroni, two of the last living Nephites, were then burried at the Hill Cumorah where they would be re-discovered 1,406 years later.

In late 1827, Joseph Smith Jr. claimed to have been commanded to go to the hill Cumorah on September 22 of that year. He made the trip during the night, at midnight actually of that particular day so he wouldn’t be heckled by any unwanted attention. Previously, he had been forbiden from recovering the golden plates from the stone box at the hill since the “the time for bringing them forth had not yet arrived, neither would it for four years.” (Joseph Smith- History1:53) – In the summer of 1829, he received the copyright , and then the following year, the translation of the plates which was called the Book of Mormon was published. — Even before it’s publication, the Book of Mormom faced criticism, as would be expected of any new book claiming to be “scripture. That, and the fact that it claimed to be an actual history of Isrealites who traveled to the new world several centuries before the birth of Christ certainly must have ben met with some skepticism and incredulity at the time. The books authorship was questioned, as some theorized that Joseph Smith may have plagiarized an unpublished work by Solomon Spalding, though I agree with some critics that, if the book has nineteenth century origins, the safest assumption would be that Joseph Smith was the author.

Challenges to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon are not new, but due to twentieth and twenty-first century science has uped the ante, considering that a straight forward reading of the Book of Mormon appears to imply that that the American Indians are decendents of Lehi, the Isrealite. In contrast, scientists tend to accept the the ancestors of the modern Native Americans had crossed over from eastern Asia into the western hemisphere from the Bering Strait land bridge from at least 12,000 years ago, though possibly earlier. — The evidence that has come out has actually verified the Bering Strait theory, since genetics point to their origin from Central Siberia. Mormons have responded to the genetic evidence in various ways. One notable response, made by David G. Stewart, is directed to Christian skeptics of Mormonism, saying that the citing of DNA against the validity of the Book of Mormon is a kind of “suicide bombing” since genetic evidence also shows that humans have been around for much longer that 6,000 years, provides evidence for Evolutionary theory, and that no Y chromosome validating Abraham as the Hebrew ancestor has ever been found in Jewish populations. However, this particular counter point assumes that the person citing the evidence accepts a young earth. Many Christians, however, accept the scientific date of the earth, and more accept the validity of Evolution, so this Mormon argument is invalid as far as many Christians are concern, not to mention against agnostics and atheists who are also critical of Mormonism.

One of Stewart’s pieces of evidence linking American Indians with Hebrews is the Q-P36 mutation which he points out is certain frequencies in Jewish populations, and in a high percentage of Native Americans. This link hardly holds much weight since  the origin and age of the mutation is inconsistent with what would be expected if this bore any relevance. According to research done by Stephen Zegura, the age of the Q-P36 is an estimated 17,700 years, give or take 4,820 years. And even if Stewart’s claims of the uncertainties of dating DNA held any water, it wouldn’t matter much since the same genetic results produced by Zegura also show that the mutation has it’s origins in the region of the Altai mountains in southwestern Siberia. All this would prove is that after the mutation originated, some of it’s carriers dispersed with some going west while others went east across the Bering Strait land bridge.

To explain away the inconsistencies  between the Book of Mormon genetics, many Mormon apologists then appeal the the “limited geography” hypothesis, that is that the story line of the Book of Mormon only deals with a small population in a limited area, rather than the entire western hemisphere, and then base a whole new sting of arguments along with the idea.  — Jeff Lindsay, in his extended essay, makes several points against the DNA evidence on that assumtion. For example,

  1. He claims that the Book of  Mormon is consistent with the DNA evidence that the American Indians had decended from Asiatics. He points out the Jaredites, a race of people mentioned in the Book of Ether who accordingly left the Tower of Babel at around 5,500 years ago, (circa 2500 BC?), and arrived in North America soon after.
  2. He mentiones the mutation known as Haplogroup X which has been found in Europeans, Middle Easterners as well as some Indians. He sees this shared mutation as a possible legitimate tie between Hebrews and the American Indians.
  3. He claims that in the Book of Mormon, the terms “Lamanite” and “Nephites” were more social than racial. From this particular perspectice, all Indians could be classified as being in either group without being ethnically related to the children of Lehi. (I.e., most Native Americans would not be his literal decendants.)

Jeff Lindsay puts forward other suggestions, but these three are the ones that stood out the most to me, and I will deal with these ones first. — The first listed suggestion that the Jaredites would be considered “Asiatic” is technically correct, but at the same time it is faulty. As mentioned, this particular group is said to have started it’s journey after the languages were “confounded” at the Tower of Babel (Ether 1:33).  The biblical story of the tower places it in the valley of Shinar which is thought to be around Mesopotamia, in modern day Iraq (Genesis 11: 1-9). The problem is obvious. Though this would mean that the Jaredites were “Asiatics,” they did not come from the right region since the DNA results shows that the American Indians have a Siberian ancestory, and not a middle eastern origin. Though west of Isreal, Iraq is still in the middle east. Granted, Lindsay never says that the Jaredites are the sole factor to “Asiatic” DNA, but it does beg the question why there is no genetic evidence that we know of that places an independent migration from Iraq to North America during this timeframe.

The comments he makes on apparent genetic links via the Haplogroup X mutation connecting Hebrews to American Indians, quite frankly, wouldn’t convince someone who wasn’t already ready to believe. He seemingly wants to show that since Haplogroup X variant in Native Americans seemingly has no direct relationship to its counterpart in Siberia, and since it seems to be more closely related to the one found in Europe and the Middle East, that therefore it could be evidence of an independent migration from Isreal to the new world. He seemingly tries not to assert it this evidence is absolute one way or the other asserting it doesn’t really discount what he wishes it to be. A major problem of Haplogroup X being a relevant link between Isreal and the American Indians is the molecular clock date which shows that the mutation occured in the Indian populations well over 20,000 years ago which fare pre-dates Lehi’s migration in 600 BC.  Lindsay is well aware of this and attempts to discredit the estimated arrived at by  saying that the molecular clock dating has been known to give inflated dates. He is right on that point which is why the molecular clock hypothesis is used primarily when it doesn’t conflict with the rest of the evidence.  But despite his spinning around the molecular clock, Haplogroup X has been proven to have been present in Amerindian polulations long before Lehi’s migration using independent dating methods. The mumified remains of  some paleo-Indians had been found with DNA intact and carbon dated to around 7000 years, and the genetics included the X Haplogroup.  Now, Lindsay can try to knock down the radiocarbon date if he wants, but it would be more difficult since since Carbon-14 dating is considered to be one of the most reliable dating methods. And finally, more genetic analysis has actually shown that Haplogroup X was part of a founding population and therefore was not part of an independent migration, so even if the dating methods mentioned were wrong, it would still be inconsistent with the idea of it being evidence for a single, independent Jewish migration from the Near East.

As for the third option, that “Nephite” and “Lamanite” are sometimes used as social terms rather than racial; this is partially true since there are passages in the Book of Mormon where those from one group were counted as members in the other (3 Nephi 2: 14). However, this does nothing to help the case that modern American Indians are to be called “Lammanites” due to social-political reasons even if they are not related to a Jewish population. Unwittingly, Mormons who make this claim are contradicting Jeseph Smith himself, since in the 1835 account of his vision, he says:

I saw in the vision the place where they [the golden plates] were deposited, he [the messenger, Moroni] said the Indians were the literal descendants of Abraham.

Sometimes, I have read some Mormon apologists dismiss certain remarks on certain subjects made by Joseph Smith by saying that he sometimes would give his opinion without any evidence. This time, however, no such claim can be made since to dismiss Smith’s words would also be to dismiss those of the messenger from God. Joseph himself makes it really clear that the statement that the Indians are the “literal descendants of Abraham” comes from the angel Moroni himself, who in turn would logically been instructed by God himself to make such a statement. Considering that neither the Mormon prophet or God’s messenger made no qualifications as to the progeny of the Native Americans, the suggestion that the Indians are “Lamanites” via social-political means holds no weight. The logical conclusion here is that both thought that all of the first inhabitants of the American continent were of Jewish ancestry.

One last ditch attempt sometimes made in order to salvage the Book of Mormon is that we do not know what Lehi’s DNA would have looked like, so we wouldn’t know what to look for. This claim is absurd; you do not have to be a geneticist to understand that even if we do not know exactly what genetics themselves would look like, scientists would still recognize Semitic DNA when they saw it. The appearance of such DNA itself in the Native American population itself would be a somewhat of a verification of the Mormon scripture in and of itself; a detail worth investigating at the very least.

The evidence all goes against the suggestion that the Book of Mormon holds any historic value for the origins of any modern Native Americans. The genetic evidence shows no evidence of a migration of a semitic people, Hebrew or otherwise, at around the time required for a verification. Even if, as some argue, the descendants of Lehi were only one group among many, there should still be some hints of such an origin. But since the words of Joseph Smith and Moroni both contradict these views, the genetic evidence becomes all that more damning as we should expect to see more semitic traces in the modern American Indian peoples of today.



The Witnesses of Fatima

One of the most famous Marian apparitions in recent memory is that of Our Lady of Fatima, said to have been witnessed by seventy-thousand spectators on October 13, 1917.

Considering the scale of this particular apparition, naturally skeptics would feel inclined to discrediting it. Notably, Joe Nickell, of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry notes certain objections:

  1. There is evidence that Lucia de Santos herself orchestrated the apparitions, being that Jacinta had said that the Virgin had said many things, some of which she didn’t remember, but that Lucia knew, and also that Lucia’s own mother thought her to be a fake.
  2. People elsewhere, including astronomical observatories, in the world had not taken note of any unusual solar activity. Such an event, if it had happened, would have had devastating effects on the planet.
  3. The phenomena is attributable to a combination of causes, namely mass hysteria and meteorological events.
  4. If the spectators were indeed looking directly at the sun, what they say would have caused  temporary retinal distortion accounting for imagery of the sun’s apparent movement. Meanwhile at other sun miracles people had suffered eye damage.
  5. Sister Lucia, purportedly predicting the deaths of Francisco and Jacinta, in actuality first wrote it in 1927 after the fact.
  6. The prediction in the second secret, which predicted World War II was penned after the fact in August 31, 1941, which would make it of no prophetic value.

Before tackling these objections, it has to be pointed out what the Apparition of Fatima is: a private revelation. It is not necessary to hold to approved private revelations in order to be in good standing with the church. Even if a certain apparition were to turn out to be false, it would not -or should not- cause a crisis of faith. The Catholic Christian has this option open to him.  The skeptical atheist, however, has no such alternative; he must disbelieve.

When Joe Nickell cites as evidence Jacinta’s forgetfulness of certain details of the apparition of May 13, it refers to her inability to keep her silence after having promised. His reference is the secondary source Encountering Mary, by Sandra L. Zimdars-Swartz. Having the book myself, the account as given by the author doesn’t, in my opinion, hint at evidence that Jacinta was being manipulated by Lucia, though it doesn’t help that only fragmented quotes are given. The actual source for this account is from research and interviews done by Father John de Marchi with certain eyewitnesses of the Fatima event. This particular episode was recounted by Olimpia Marto, Jacinta’s mother:

She [Jacinta] said, “The Lady held a rosary in her hand; a beautiful rosary shining like the stars, and a crucifix that shone…. She spoke with Lucia a great deal, but not with me, or Francisco. I heard all that she said. Oh, mother, we must say the Rosary every day; the Lady said this to Lucia. She said too, that she would take us all to heaven, and other things which I can’t remember, but which Lucia knows. When she went back into heaven the doors seemed to shut so quickly that I thought her feet would get caught.”

Now that we have seen the original source…. Nickell’s claim gives the impression that Jacinta remembered a lot less than she actually did. When she first spoke about her experience, she certainly recalled what would have been considered the essential details, namely that she and her brother Francisco would go to heaven. There really wasn’t much else, except that Lucia inquired of the Virgin about two friends who had passed on; one named Maria Neves and the other Amalia. She was then told that the former was in heaven, and the latter was in purgatory. Considering that the sources don’t mention anything else of note, if Jacinta had momentarily forgot something, it would have been this particular detail. Everyone forgets details. In the end, it seems to read too much suspicion into the narrative without any warrant, perhaps the workings of what comes off as a paranoid mind.

Furthermore, he indirectly cites Lucia (via Swatz, pg 68) that Jacinta and Francisco were accustomed to following her directions before the apparitions, no doubt wishing to implant suspicion upon his readers that she had to have manipulated them into it. His suspicious logic is obvious: 1) The apparitions couldn’t possibly have happened. 2) Francisco and Jacinta were accustomed to listening to Lucia, therefore 3) she manipulated them into it. Never mind that Jacinta, in spite of promising Lucia to never speak of the first apparition, spoke about it freely anyway to her mother, something that would not have been the case if Jacinta’s obedience to Lucia was as slavish as Nickell would have us believe. Besides, had Jacinta known or believed nothing had happened, it would have been that much easier for her to keep her word. In the account of Jacinta’s mother, she “ran to meet” her and spoke “excitedly” about it, hardly the actions of a little child who had a non-experience. However, even if we assume that Lucia had such an influence over her two cousins, it doesn’t follow that she used it to manipulate them into dishonesty over such a matter. “Could have” doesn’t mean “did.”  And if someone wishes to affirm that she did, it must be remembered that implanted suspicion isn’t evidence, even if one choses to disbelieve in the apparition.

Perhaps a skeptic would suggest that the detail of Lucia telling the others to not speak about the event is a later invention, as they suggest about other details.  That is not likely to be the case in this particular instant since Lucia’s sister, Maria dos Anjos, recounted how she herself was the one who informed Lucia that Jacinta broke her silence to Olimpia Marto, and she recounted how Lucia responded, “And I told her so many times not to tell anyone.” It’s easy enough to accuse Lucia of later embellishment by herself, but not so much when details and first hand memories given by others -namely her aunt and sister- who were present often corroborate what she affirms. With this, we can be sure that Lucia wanted the event of the apparition to be kept secret; that she told both of her cousins to not say a word, and that Jacinta had an excited inability to keep quiet about the event– which is evidence that she herself believed something wonderful had happened.

As for Lucia’s mother, Maria Rosa, disbelieving her daughter, Nickell quotes her from page 86 of Swartz’s book as saying, “her daughter was ‘nothing but a fake who was leading half the world astray.'” One would have to wonder why he would cite this as evidence for Lucia fabricating the apparition. Of course the obvious answer would be that such a statement would be considered as a character witness. What he doesn’t point out is that in the same paragraph, even Swartz clearly indicates that the very source of the quote of Lucia’s mother comes from Lucia herself. Apparently Nickell trusts Lucia enough to use her as a source at his selective convenience. The fact that Maria Rosa didn’t believe her daughter is hardly a secret; it’s a well known fact.

But since we can now apparently trust what Lucia said about her mother’s disbelief, then we can also trust her quoting her mother as saying, “I always managed to have my children tell the truth, and now I have to let my youngest get away with this?” (Silva, pg. 85) Taken at face value, this would actually indicate that Maria Rosa didn’t affirm that her daughter had a reputation of dishonesty, quite the contrary, but that she certainly didn’t believe her in regards to the apparition. After the sun miracle itself, she still was asked if now believed, to which she responded, “I’m still not sure if all this is true.” When pressed if she had seen the miracle, she said “I saw it, I saw it, but it seems to me to be something so great that we are not worthy of it!” (Silva, pg. 25)

Nickell goes on to call Lucia a “petted and spoiled child,” adding that “her sisters fostered in her a desire to be the center of attention by teaching her to dance and sing.” Though he isn’t saying it bluntly, he is essentially implying that she was an attention whore. Nickell, who only has a Ph.D in English, is not a psychologist. Neither am I, though from what I can tell, children who are desperate for attention don’t get it from their primary caretakers, which would contradict the accusation that she was “petted and spoiled.” Lucia herself indicates that her mother was loving, but strict, for example, by teaching her to eat the food on her plate, whether she liked it or not, and putting her in a position in which she would have no other choice. (Ibid, 23) Also the fact that Lucia had decided to become a cloistered nun -that is an enclosed nun with no connection with the external world- contradicts the perception that she had such a craving for attention.

So what about others who had not seen it, that is the astronomical observatories? I would counter by asking how many observatories world wide happened to have their telescopes facing the sun at that particular moment in time? I don’t know why it was not observed world wide, but miracles do not come with a labeled guarantee to be viewed in every part of the globe.  I would add then the miracle itself seems to have been meant primarily, first and foremost, at Fatima which would have been why the 70,000 people present would have been gathered at that particular location in the first place.  It is also true that an event like the movement of the sun would have had disastrous effects on the planet—-that is, barring divine intervention. Given that it is in the context of a purported miracle, that by itself is a non-issue, unless you already dismiss miracles a priory. Perhaps in this particular matter, people on both sides could easily accuse each other of circular reasoning; the skeptic saying “Miracles don’t happen, so the event would have been disastrous,,” and the Catholic saying “Miracles can happen, so God can prevent disaster.”

When it comes to explaining the miracle itself with a meteorological event, I got to admit that I do find Nickell’s suggestion a bit interesting, that it could have been a phenomena known as a sundog, or a mock sun. It is part of the sun’s halo interacting with ice crystals within the earth’s atmosphere. Such an event could explain, though only in part, some details that the witnesses at Fatima had described, such as the colors they had seen; they key term being “in part.” The problem with the proposal comes when one realizes that sundogs are at their most visible when the sun is on the horizon; the higher the sun, the dimmer the sundog becomes, and the miracle of the sun occurred when the sun was at it’s zenith according to the eyewitnesses. There’s no point in suggesting a phenomena as explaining the strange event of the sun when it would have been too dim for the people present to have been able to see it, or take much notice of it.

He does admit, however, that the observers claimed to have been looking at the sun, suggesting:

…the “dancing sun” and other solar phenomena may have been due to optical effects resulting from temporary retinal distortion caused by staring at such an intense light or to the effect of darting the eyes to and fro to avoid fixed gazing (thus combining image, afterimage, and movement).

With this, you would think, from this, that everyday people wouldn’t have known the harmful effects of looking directly at the sun. However, the account left behind by José Maria Proença de Almeida Garret who was both present and had taken into account the possible damage the sun could do to one’s eyes:

Fearing that my retina would be damaged . . . I turned around, closed my eyes, and covered them with my hands to keep out all the light. With my back turned, I opened my eyes and realized that the landscape and the air had the same purple color that they had previously had.

Further evidence he gives that the people would not have looked at the sun if it was in fact as bright as it normally was is when he points out, “This phenomenon must have lasted about ten minutes, except for two brief interruptions when the sun gave off brighter and more dazzling rays that made us look away.” Independently of Almeida Garret, Father Manuel Pereira da Silva confirms this saying: “With some interruptions, this lasted about eight minutes.” This last detail can account for why the photos occasionally show a few shielding their eyes, an objection I’ve seen at least once. It does show that the people were not going to look at the sun if, in fact, it would have been harmful for them to have looked at it.

Nickell insists, however,

Not surprisingly, perhaps, sun miracles have been reported at other Marian sites—at Lubbock, Texas, in 1989; Mother Cabrini Shrine near Denver, Colorado, in 1992; Conyers, Georgia, in the early to mid-1990s; and elsewhere, including Thiruvananthapuram, India, in 2008. Tragically, at the Colorado and India sites, many people suffered eye damage (solar retinopathy)—in some instances, possibly permanent damage. At the Conyers site, the Georgia Skeptics group set up a telescope outfitted with a vision-protecting Mylar solar filter, and on one occasion I participated in the experiment. Becky Long, president of the organization, stated that more than two hundred people had viewed the sun through one of the solar filters and not a single person saw anything unusual.

None of these so-called Marian sites that Nickell is talking about -including the one in which his experiment took place- are approved, unlike Fatima. In fact the details he gives about them here would likely lead to their rejection by the Holy See. Besides, there were no such reports of permanent eye damage at Fatima, unlike there were at these unapproved locations.

A relevant piece of information is the duration of the sun miracle itself, as the witnesses who approximated the time give relatively similar estimates:

  • José Maria Proença de Almeida Garret: “This phenomenon must have lasted about ten minutes…”
  • Gonçalo de Almeida Garret (Father of the former, sometimes mistaken for him): “The phenomena lasted about eight to ten minutes.”
  • Father Manuel Pereira da Silva: “…this lasted about eight minutes.”
  • Father Ignacio Lorenco: “After about ten minutes the sun, now dull and pallid, returned to it’s place.”

This is a further indication that Fatima is not equivalent to these other sites since it has been shown that permanent damage to the retina can occur around 100 seconds. For so many to look at the sun for so long without any reports of permanent eye damage by itself would be a miracle.

Since the accounts that estimate the duration of the miracle of the sun give similar periods of duration, between eight to ten minutes, this also contradicts the claim that what was seen by the witnesses was really temporary damage to the retina.  We would expect larger variation from various individual witnesses in the perceived or more prolonged duration of the miracle itself, unless we are to believe that  temporary eye damage disappears in every individual simultaneously instantaneously after the inflicted damage. And since eye damage lingers, they would have realized there was a problem with their vision. This establishes that there was an actual beginning and an actual end to the event. Even if an objector wished to interject by saying that though all the witnesses that give an estimated time agree on that matter, that we don’t know of the others who gave no such detail, that would simply be their dismissing of the evidence we do have out of the baseless assumption that those witnesses who didn’t speak on the matter would have said any different.  Temporary retina distortion from the sun can last a month to a year; if this were a case of temporary damage, the witnesses would have come to realize that there was a problem with their eyesight in enough time.

Nickell gives his “most likely” scenario:

Most likely, there was a combination of factors, including optical effects and meteorological phenomena, such as the sun being seen through thin clouds, causing it to appear as a silver disc. Other possibilities include an alteration in the density of the passing clouds, causing the sun’s image to alternately brighten and dim and so seem to advance and recede, and dust or moisture droplets in the atmosphere refracting the sunlight and thus imparting a variety of colors.

Just above, optical factor is already ruled out. To explain as another factor of the event as the sun being observed through clouds is to completely go against the accounts left behind by the witnesses as Alvelino de Almeida in his article in O’Seculo makes it very clear:

From the top of the road … we saw the crowd turned toward the sun, which was at its zenith and had no clouds blocking it. The sun seemed like a plate of dull silver, and people could look directly at it with no trouble. It didn’t burn or blind.

José Maria Proença de Almeida Garret:

It should not be confused with the sun shining through fog (There was no fog at the time). The sun was not opaque, diffused or veiled. . . . The clouds moved from east to west but did not obscure the sun. They did seem to go behind it, while the white puffs that at times slipped in front of the sun appeared in a shade of rose and translucent blue… While still looking at the sun, I noticed the atmosphere had cleared.

Though Almeida Garret mentions the occasional white puff of cloud in front of the sun, such is hardly sufficient to credibly explain even as a factor what was seen by him or anybody else, and after he mentions that “the atmosphere had cleared” as he was still looking at the sun, he indicates that the phenomenon is still occurring. Likewise de Almeida and Almeida Garret are hardly the only two witnesses who show that the sun was not blocked by the clouds; Mary Allen in her account says “the rain ceased, the clouds separated and I saw a large sun.” In fact, I find it nearly impossible to believe that the people present wouldn’t have recognized clouds of various density passing in front of the sun to the point that they could actually dim it. The very fact that Almeida Garret Jr. could make out the occasional small puffs of cloud passing in front indicates that such a thing would have been recognized for what it was. Hence, this factor can also be ruled out.

Gonçalo de Almeida Garret pointed this out in his clarification:

These events happened soon after noontime, when the sun was at it’s zenith . . . when meteorological phenomena have a less intense influence on the sun. When the sun is closer to the horizon in the late afternoon, more evaporation occurs, and this produces colorful sunsets. . . . The solar activity observed at noon in Fatima was far less likely to occur then than in the morning or afternoon, which makes these phenomena more valuable and important.

It should be mentioned that even authentic miracles don’t necessarily rule out at least some natural factors. Part of the miraculous aspect would have been the timing. The ten plagues of the Exodus mostly considered natural phenomena, but they happened at just the right time for Moses to free his people. Perhaps part of the miraculous aspects of Fatima could be the time of day, as well as the day itself, since they all would have come into place on precisely the day and hour that the Virgin said the miracle would happen; the ending of the rain, the breaking of the clouds revealing the sun when it was at it’s zenith, at precisely the time meteorological factors would not be likely to affect the view of the sun from the Earth’s perspective. At that point it could be argued that Our Lady wished to have the miracle performed at that particular time so it would be less likely for such factors to be cited credibly.

So what about suggestion due to expectation of seeing a miracle? When Alvelino de Almeida says that the sun “made brusque movements, never before seen, beyond all cosmic laws,” given that he had already scheduled an article mocking the apparitions previously (Silva, pg 228), I tend to believe him. Given that the newspapers, including those who were anti-Catholic, who previously mocked the apparitions and sent their reporters to ridicule the event, without exception, all affirmed something unusual happened, (Allegri, pgs 219, 20), I tend to believe something happened. Except for that, there is no plausible explanation to their change in tone. It can’t be ratings and readership (as I once saw objected) because there is no reason for skeptics to wish to publish something which would actively promote the Church; that would go against their long term goal. Suggestion cannot explain what they saw since they were expecting to see nothing.

To further refute the suspicion that De Almeida was fishing for readership ratings, the 2010 documentary film Finding Fatima shows a more recently discovered personal letter which he wrote to his sister dated the same day as the Sun Miracle itself telling her that he had seen something incredible. Such a personal message would not have been intended for public readership, and therefore ratings was hardly his motive.

What about mass hysteria? Such a view in contradicted by the fact that the event had witnesses who saw the event from miles away. Ignacio Lorenço was in Alburitel, eleven miles from Fatima when he saw the event, along with the rest of his town. Alfonso Lopes Vieira, who was twenty-five miles away pointed out:

On that day of October 13, 1917, without remembering the predictions of the children, I was enchanted by a remarkable spectacle in the sky of a kind I had never seen before. I saw it from this veranda….

What makes these two descriptions of the event from miles away significant is that both Lorenço and Lopes Vieira had no way of knowing that the event would have revolved around the sun. Only at Fatima, right after the rain, and right before the actual event did Lucia even say anything about the sun. By itself, these accounts rule out suggestion, hallucination and mass hysteria in one sitting. All a skeptic could do is accuse these witnesses of deception, an accusation which cannot credibly stick, especially since the witnesses have the advantage of saying they were there and saw what happened unlike a present-day naysayer.

How about the prophesy of the deaths of Jacinta and Francisco Marto being written after the fact by Lucia? Strictly this is true, but to simply dismiss it on that basis is to not take into account that there was multiple attestation to it. In his recollection, their older brother João Marto affirms that such a prediction existed as early as 1917 itself. He himself was skeptical of the apparitions, having not been present at the miracle of the sun. When asked when his skepticism left, he said:

Much afterwards. More precisely it was when my brother and sister got sick…. I thought the prophesy was a joke, but when Francisco got sick and died in 1919, my skepticism began to waver. Shortly thereafter, Jacinta got sick. I remember that she had often spoke of that illness…. I thought a lot about what my brother and sister had said, and about the fact that it all turned out to be true. (Allegri 40, 42)

Emanuel Marto, their father, also recalled when his daughter got sick, she told him:

Papa, dear, if I should recover from this illness, you may be sure I would get another. When I go to Lisbon, Papa, it means goodbye.

While Jacinta was in Lisbon, she was tended to by Mother Godinho who recounted that the child visionary told her:

I am much better now, thank you. Our Lady said that she would come to take me almost right away, and that there will be no more pain.

Perhaps it could be countered that these recollections, though primary in nature, were recounted after the fact. Though true, that is about all that could be credibly said against them, and their very sources make is difficult to simply dismiss them. The affirmation of the existence of such a prediction of the deaths of Francisco and Jacinta by those who knew them personally is much stronger than the denial of someone far removed who had no relation to them.

About the objection that the second part of the mystery predicting WWII was penned by Sister Lucia after the war’s start, that is true in itself, but it also misses the point of the mystery which was chiefly about consecrating Russia to the immaculate heart for its conversion. In hindsight, if we were to assume that Sister Lucia were inventing this prophecy on the fly, then it would have made more sense for her to write about Germany, not Russia, considering her geographic proximity. And considering that the publication of the second mystery corresponded with Hitler’s invasion of Russia with Operation Barbarossa, it would have been extra risky for her to invent a prediction of Russia spreading it’s errors since she would have had no way of knowing the final result of the Nazi’s military campaign.

There is documentary proof that years before the war started that Sister Lucia was highly concerned with the consecration of Russia, as she points out in a letter she wrote to Father Goncalves dated May 29, 1930:

This is what seems to have passed between God and my soul, concerning the reparatory devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and the persecution in Russia [. . .]
If I am not mistaken, the good Lord promises to put an end to the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father himself deigns to make a solemn and public act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as ordering all the bishops of the Catholic world to do the same, and if the Holy Father promises that, upon the end of this persecution, he will approve and recommend the practice of the reparatory devotion already described.

And in another letter from May 18, 1936:

About the other questions, if it will be convenient to insist in order to obtain the consecration of Russia? I answer in almost the same way as I answered the other times. I am sorry that it has not been done yet, but the same God Who asked for it, is the One Who permitted it.

Though these references do not go back as far as I’d like, they do go back far enough to show that there are “before-the-fact” aspects of the mystery itself, since Russia (not simply the war) is at it’s heart.

St. Pope John Paul II finally consecrated Russia on March 25, 1984, a short seven years before the Soviet Union’s collapse. In the words of Patrick Glynn, “. . . as historians penetrate the circumstances of the communist collapse, it is becoming clearer that the Soviet elite was itself in the throes of an atheistic ‘crisis of faith.'” (God: The Evidence, pgs 161, 162). He adds that it likely wouldn’t have happened peacefully “without Catholic solidarity and the Lutheran-inspired ‘revolution of light.'” Given that Our Lady speaks of the “conversion” of Russia following the consecration, it is an interesting coincidence (?) that at the right time, the Communist leadership should have such a crisis of faith shortly before the fall of the USSR. To the believer, this could possibly also be considered a validation of the second mystery.

Admittedly, not every possible objection to the sun miracle has been raised here and knocked down, but there is only so much one could cover. Though there are two notable miscellaneous ones such as the claim that half of the witnesses at Fatima saw nothing and that the Pope in the third mystery is killed, but that John Paul II who is usually thought to be the pope referred to survived his assassination attempt. The time I saw the former objection, supporting documentation was not provided; it was simply asserted, making it much less credible than De Almeida’s account that “the majority of them said they had seen the shaking, the dance of the sun.” To the later, I’d simply point out Prophecy contains warning, not necessarily always fixed events. Jonah warned the people of Nineveh that the city would be destroyed, and it was spared.

Fatima is definitely one of the most impressive private revelations approved by the church, and it’s only natural for skeptics to attempt to knock it down. If authentic (as I believe it to be), it does more than provide evidence for God and Christianity itself. It provides strong evidence for Catholicism itself. Of course, private revelations are not binding on the faithful; we don’t need them to be true, though it cannot be denied that the atheist needs it to be false to maintain his worldview. The Protestant Christian can take one of three approaches: 1) affirm no apparition happened, 2) accept it and convert to Catholicism, or 3) assume that it is a Satanic apparition, as many Protestants do. But with the last two options, either would demonstrate that the spiritual realm exists.  I consider the third option untenable because the advice Our Lady gives is out of character for the devil, exhorting us: “Do not offend the Lord our God any more, for He is already too much offended!”

References/Recommended  Reading:
“The Shepherds of Fatima,” by M. Fernando Silva
“Fatima: The Story Behind the Miracles,” by Renzo & Roberto Allegri
“THE TRUE STORY OF FATIMA” by Father John de Marchi, I.M.C,
(Note: This online version of this last work has more detail than the printed edition I have)

The Skeptical link:
The Real Secrets of Fatima,” by Joe Nickell, The Skeptical Inquirer

The “Flesh” and the “Blood” – Transubstantiation


They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.

– St. Ignatius of Antioch, The Epistle to the Smyrnaeans 7

A central doctrine the Catholic Church, and of central disagreement with many Protestants, is the doctrine of the Eucharist. Protestants tend to believe that the bread and wine are merely a symbolic representation of the body and blood of Jesus, while those of in Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy view it as actually being his body and blood, though some Protestants accept that Jesus is “present.”

A major basis for our doctrine of transubstantiation is taken from the words of Jesus in John 6 when he speaks of himself being “the bread of life.” Especially when we read verse 55 when he says “For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.” The counterargument then is to accuse the citation here as taking the Bible out of context, but to seriously examine their own biblical usage is to expose the either/or fallacy, which is prominent in many anti-Catholic apologetics.

In his arguments against Transubstantiation, Richard Deem makes the following arguments:

  1. He cites John 6:29,36,40 arguing that Jesus is actually speaking about belief, not eating.
  2. He argues that in verse 35, Jesus “declares the metaphor” when he says “whoever believes in me will never thirst, and backing it up with verse 63 which contrasts the spirit from “the flesh” which is “of no avail.”
  3. He cites Acts 21:25 which prohibits the eating and drinking of blood, saying that if transubstantiation is true, then it’s a sin to take communion.
  4. He objects to the Mass being a sacrifice because Jesus is the final sacrifice given once and for all. (John 19:30, Romans 6:10, etc.)
  5. He cites St. Augustine as who calls the sacrament was to be “commemorated.”
  6. Finally, he objects to the idea that Christ is only present in the Eucharist, citing Matthew 28:19,20.

Fortunately for us, Richard Deem does accept Catholics as fellow Christians, though on his usually useful website, he does list the doctrine of transubstantiation as “aberrant theology.” This is the only Catholic doctrine he lists, which makes me wonder why he chose this one and not something more divisive such as the communion of the saints and Mariology. But I digress. Now for my responses to Deem’s objections as I have outlined them:

Catholicism doesn’t deny that belief in what Jesus says is a necessary component. In fact, it would be wrong for me to take communion while disbelieving in Jesus. There is no profit in taking the Eucharist in such a state. In fact, given St. Paul’s warnings about receiving it in an unworthy state, it would be detrimental as he says, “whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. A person For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgement on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.” (1 Corinthians 11:27,30) This is quite the dire warning for a metaphor. We affirm the bread and wine as being the real body and blood of Jesus, we have never denied belief. Such a denial would contradict our theology.

We do not deny that Jesus speaks metaphorically in some sections of John 6, but as stated, the passages Deem cites here only affirm belief in Jesus is necessary for eternal life which no Christian -whether Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox- can deny. In his book Not By Bread Alone, Robert Sungenis demonstrates that in verses 1 to 47, Jesus is in fact speaking symbolically, and by using grammatical evidence in the original Greek he points out that in verses  48 to 58, Jesus is now using non-symbolic language. That is, John uses two words for eating; phago and trogo, the latter of which, used in verses 54, 56, 57 and 58,  denotes a literal mastication while phago is only sometimes used symbolically.

Another matter has to be brought up about Deem’s citation of verse 63 which says:

It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

He doesn’t elaborate his premise here, so I can only speculate based on what other objectors say based on this particular passage. Nobody objects to Jesus’ words being “spirit” in opposition to “the flesh,” but this is certainly the case whether Transubstation is true or false.  But in saying that this cements the metaphor, it appears that he equates the word “spirit” with “metaphor,” which is what other protestant commentators do here, though when the Bible contrasts “the spirit” with “the flesh” it uses an idiom to show a contrast between the ways of the divine against human tendencies (Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:17). Certainly if we were to consistently equate “spirit” and “metaphor” throughout scripture, we would be lead to theological nonsense, as well as heresy. 1 Peter 3:18 says that Christ was put to death in the flesh, and “he was brought to life in the spirit.” However this certainly doesn’t mean that the resurrection was a symbolic metaphor, though there are some who would do as such. Even so, when Jesus says “My words are spirit” (notably not “my flesh is spirit”) in contrast to the flesh which avails nothing, he isn’t affirming a symbolic definition of his words or the Eucharist as much as he is contrasting his teachings on spiritual/divine matters against those of fleshly/human tendencies.

I have been able to verify that the Greek word pneuma used for “spirit” can indicate something figurative in certain contexts. However, Sungenis points out “…the New Testament never uses ‘Spirit’ in a symbolic sense, either in referring to the ‘Holy Spirit’ or to anything else designated as ‘spirit.'” (Pgs. 190-1) Indeed, the uses of the term in John’s Gospel -when not speaking of the Holy Spirit or the Father- demonstrate that he uses the term in the sense of divine tendencies and spirituality, not symbolism (John 3:6,7,8; 4:23,24).  This being the case, it wouldn’t be appropriate for a Bible Translation Committee to translate this passage as “My words are metaphor.”  Had Jesus wished to indicate his statements were symbolic, a better term to use probably would have been allegoreo which St. Paul uses in Galatians 4:24.

Interpreting “the flesh” in this passage as the same flesh described by Jesus before – as some may wish to do- would also be illogical considering what he said earlier. Consider the following combo of verses 54 and 63:

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day… the flesh is of no avail.

Obviously the flesh of Christ (v.54) and “the flesh (v.63) cannot be one and the same, since it would be equivalent to saying that eternal life is worthless. This can only demonstrate, as is affirmed, that verse 63 is simply contrasting human tendencies with the divine, while the passages which speak about Jesus’ flesh and blood being true food and drink are speaking about a different matter.

Deem cites verse 52 in which the Jews argue about how Jesus could give them his flesh to eat, and then says:

This is an obvious giveaway that the Jews had no spiritual discernment and weren’t “getting it.” The whole time, Jesus had been comparing Himself as spiritual food for eternal life and they are still thinking about their stomachs!

Of course Jesus’ listeners didn’t have necessary spiritual discernment-a point mentioned by some of the Apostolic Fathers. But if Deem’s understanding is indeed the intended view, then Jesus didn’t help the matters by what he said next:

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. (John 6:53,55)

As pointed out earlier, this passage uses trogo which wouldn’t bode well if Jesus simply was speaking symbolically. It also would be self-contradictory for Jesus to say “my flesh is true food, but it’s only a symbol,” especially since he is using a term in Greek which is translated as to gnaw, crunch and to chew. (Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, pg. 631) Now of course someone may object that Jesus is using a term that has a literal meaning in a symbolic manner, but if that were his intention, then he would have been better served using the alternative term phago that was used symbolically on occasion rather than the one which never was used in such a manner.

Next, in his use of Acts 21:25 to argue that we sin by taking communion if it truly becomes Christ’s body and blood. In fact, the prohibition on eating blood -which is based on Leviticus 17:8,14- actually works as an argument for the Catholic interpretation because it explains why the Jews were so offended at Jesus’ statement:

Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?” (John 6:60,61)

In the Jewish perspective, given the Mosaic law, what was a “harder saying,” to say that the eating of Jesus’ flesh and drink his blood was a symbolic statement, or to eat and drink it literally? The answer is painfully obvious. Furthermore, the continuous Protestant resistance to such a view only emphasizes that.

With the background of the Mosaic law in mind,  it becomes helpful to revert a bit. To further contradict the suggestion by Protestant exegetes mentioned earlier that verse 63 is a clarification that Jesus is speaking symbolically, all one needs to do is read only three verses later where it is pointed out that many of his disciples left him over this teaching. It’s hardly a credible to suggest that the Jews simply couldn’t register that Jesus was speaking symbolically when such a desertion of him could only be explained by their revulsion to a statement advocating something they obviously would have thought was a violation of the Mosaic law. It makes even less sense if dissident exegetes are correct in their assertions that Jesus clarified he was speaking symbolically, not just once, but several other times during that occasion. A metaphor is not worth losing disciples.

If, as Deem insists, Jesus was simply instructing his listeners with a mere metaphor to believe in him as a means to eternal life, then that would make both their offence and abandonment of him unjustified -even from a Jewish perspective- because belief and obedience to God, and the one God has sent, as a means to eternal life was part of Judaism, as can be seen from Daniel 12:2. The Pharisees taught this as well, as pointed out by Josephus (Wars of the Jews 2:162-3). Strictly speaking, if such was Jesus’ intention, there would have been nothing unorthodox about it. At worse he would have just been using an inadvisable method of making his point which could have been easily remedied; at best, if he had clarified himself as is claimed, there should have been no issue.

As for the objection to the Mass being a sacrifice because Jesus is the last sacrifice, I would be curious as to see what he has to say about Malachi 3:1,4 which is an obvious messianic prophesy, and yet it describes the acceptance of sacrifice after:

Now I am sending my messenger— he will prepare the way before me; And the lord whom you seek will come suddenly to his temple; The messenger of the covenant whom you desire— see, he is coming! says the LORD of hosts. But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand firm when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire, like fullers’ lye. He will sit refining and purifying silver, and he will purify the Levites, Refining them like gold or silver, that they may bring offerings to the LORD in righteousness. Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will please the LORD, as in ancient days, as in years gone by.

Back when I was a Protestant, I had a debate with a religious Jew about Jesus’ messiaship. When this passage came up, he pointed out to me that this would be problematic because in Christianity, Jesus is the last sacrifice, and yet this scripture indicates that after the Messiah’s arrival, sacrifice continues. I didn’t want to admit at the time that he had a point. In Catholicism and Orthodoxy, this apparent problem disappears, though it remains in Protestantism due to an either/or approach often taken by their exegetes.

Let’s be clear here: Jesus is the final sacrifice once and for all given for us; we don’t deny this theological point. What Deem and other Protestants don’t understand is that we consider the offering of the Eucharist to be the very same moment  that Christ was sacrificed for us. We are participating in that very same sacrifice in that very same moment in time. This is possible because God is transcendent to time. “Whibly wobbly timey whimey,” to make a Doctor Who reference.

The Church Fathers do not deny Christ is the final sacrifice, and yet they affirm sacrifice. St. Clement of Rome equates the Christian leaders as “High Priests” and “Levites,” also saying:

…it behooves us to do all things in [their proper] order, which the Lord has commanded us to perform at stated times. He has enjoined offerings [to be presented] and service to be performed [to Him]… (1 Clement 40)

Also St. John Chrysostom makes rather forward statements on the Eucharist:

For when you see the Lord sacrificed, and laid upon the altar, and the priest standing and praying over the victim, and all the worshippers empurpled with that precious blood, can you then think that you are still among men, and standing upon the earth? Are you not, on the contrary, straightway translated to Heaven, and casting out every carnal thought from the soul, do you not with disembodied spirit and pure reason contemplate the things which are in Heaven? (On the Priesthood 3:4)

Next in his attempt to show that the Church Fathers disapprove of the Catholic teaching, Deem quotes St. Augustine as referencing John 6:63, but then adds another reference claiming, “Augustine also indicated that the sacrament was to be commemorated, but not relived.” Here is the quote as he provides it:

Augustine (Faustus 20.18, 20): “Before the coming of Christ, the flesh and blood of this sacrifice were foreshadowed in the animals slain; in the passion of Christ the types were fulfilled by the true sacrifice; after the ascension of Christ, this sacrifice is commemorated in the sacrament.

It is also to be pointed out that St. John Chrysostom -while speaking of the Eucharist as a sacrifice- also on occasion that it is done in commemoration (Homily on the Hebrews 17:6). Nobody disputes this. Of course we take Holy Communion in commemoration of the sacrifice, as it is even pointed out at every Mass. But what is conspicuously absent from Deem’s citation of St. Augustine is a negation of the teaching. If, by “not relived,” Deem means the sacrifice of Christ doesn’t happen again, we fully agree. As said, it isn’t “relived” because it is the same event. Though, it goes without saying that any Catholic with a firm grasp on our view of the Eucharist would also notice that not even Deem’s misconception is contradicted by his citation. Though interestingly, having looked in the reference, St. Augustine speaks of “the sacred offering and participation of the body and blood of Christ.” (Contra Faustum 20:18)

Some other objectors cite a different passage from Augustine saying that they “imagined that the Lord would cut off parts from His body, and give unto them,” but that is was to be “spiritually understood.” (Psalms 99:8) However, if Augustine disbelieved the Orthodox Catholic teaching, he has an odd way of showing it. He himself affirmed:

And was carried in His Own Hands: how carried in His Own Hands? Because when He commended His Own Body and Blood, He took into His Hands that which the faithful know; and in a manner carried Himself, when He said, This is My Body. (Exposition on the Psalms 34:1)

He follows St. Ambrose of Milan, who baptized him:

Then He added: For My Flesh is meat indeed, and My Blood is drink [indeed]. You hear Him speak of His Flesh and of His Blood, you perceive the sacred pledges, [conveying to us the merits and power] of the Lord’s death, and you dishonour His Godhead. Hear His own words: A spirit has not flesh and bones. Now we, as often as we receive the Sacramental Elements, which by the mysterious efficacy of holy prayer are transformed into the Flesh and the Blood, do show the Lord’s Death. (Exposition on the Christian Faith 4:125)

One may find references to many other Church Fathers being used as an attempt to show that at least some rejected the Catholic doctrine based on misunderstandings of what the Fathers are actually intending to say. St. Cyril of Jerusalem may be quoted as saying about John 6: “They not having heard His saying in a spiritual sense were offended, and went back, supposing that He was inviting them to eat flesh.” (Catechetical Lecture 22:4) Notably, this statement is similar to an earlier mentioned statement by Augustine; but as shown, spirituality is not symbolism, and Jesus was certainly not inviting them to walk up and take a bite out of him.

Proof that Cyril didn’t take the Eucharist symbolically is demonstrated shortly within this same short lecture:

Consider therefore the Bread and the Wine not as bare elements, for they are, according to the Lord’s declaration, the Body and Blood of Christ; for even though sense suggests this to you, yet let faith establish you. Judge not the matter from the taste, but from faith be fully assured without misgiving, that the Body and Blood of Christ have been vouchsafed to you. (Catechetical Lecture 22:6)

Having learned these things, and been fully assured that the seeming bread is not bread, though sensible to taste, but the Body of Christ; and that the seeming wine is not wine, though the taste will have it so, but the Blood of Christ; and that of this David sung of old, saying, And bread strengthens man’s heart, to make his face to shine with oil, strengthen your heart, by partaking thereof as spiritual, and make the face of your soul to shine. (Catechetical Lecture 22:9)

St. Cyril closes the lecture with this last passage which affirms bluntly that the bread and wine are not truly bread and wine, but in reality the body and blood of Christ, in spite of one’s senses to the taste that they contain. Notably, in this last passage, while speaking of the physical sacrament, he speaks of partaking it as “spiritual” food, putting to rest any possible notion that he could have equated the term “spiritual” as indicating anything symbolic which, if he had, would have resulted in an obvious absurd, internal contradiction within only a few words. It is clear from St. Cyril’s lecture: the physical sacrament is not a symbol, but the real body and blood of Christ, and yet it is also called our spiritual food.

So what is a take-away from two respected Church Fathers such as Saints Cyril of Jerusalem and Augustine affirming both the physical element being the actual body and blood of Christ, and yet that it is to be understood spiritually as well? Obviously this does away with a seemingly unspoken premise among Protestant exegetes that the two are to be assumed mutually exclusive. No good Catholic would deny the spiritual aspect of it as it is affirmed in the Mass itself.

A final point against the view that Jesus was speaking symbolically about eating his flesh comes from the social Jewish context. In the Scriptures, there is a symbolic usage for eating and drinking human flesh and blood, and it is always in a manner which indicates enmity and hatred; never in a positive sense (See: Psalm 27:2; Micah 3:1,4; Isaiah 9:18,20). With that in mind, Jesus’ statement in John 6:54, if intended symbolically, would have been equivalent to nonsensically saying “Whoever despises me has eternal life,” which would be a blatant contradiction of his teachings elsewhere (Matthew 10:37,39). It would do no good to argue that this is the one time in the Bible that such a metaphor was used in a positive sense because such an affirmation would only presuppose what it sets out to prove.

So what of Deem’s claim argument that Jesus is not present only at the Eucharist? We agree. In fact, I could hardly believe this was even an objection. Christ is omnipresent, being God himself. Jesus is spiritually -not symbolically *wink*- and truly present with us even now. In the Eucharist he is physically present as well.

In the end, Richard Deem’s arguments, though perhaps well intended, commit the same fallacies that other protestant apologetics fall into, such as forcing a dichotomy and a lack of understanding of Catholic theology which doesn’t deal with Either/Or logic, but rather Both/And on many subjects. Spiritual understandings to Jesus’ statements on the Eucharist do not negate the literal understanding either, as it has been seen that the Church fathers affirm both. To say that Christ is present in the Eucharist is not to deny that is present elsewhere and always.

I can certainly understand resistance to the doctrine of Christ actually physically being the Eucharist itself on a superficial level, but I cannot fathom why they would wish to deny themselves the idea of being physically in contact with him while taking holy communion. Of course Christ is always here, but it is also something special, comforting and intimate to know you have in actually touched the body of Christ with your own physical essence. In the end, my attitude is the same as that of Flannery O’Connor in a conversation she recounted: “If it’s a symbol, to hell with it.”